griffith7x57 wrote: Every time somebody actually came up with a sensible suggestion, it was talked to death.
But in a shut yap, vote
system...nothing gets talked to death! And sensibile suggestions would tend to prevail. With the public
in charge - all of us - instead of few bozos (because that's all I see in government)...any country would run better
. Unless you assume everyone's stupid. That is often my assumption; but I know it's wrong. Except in Toronto.
griffith7x57 wrote: and nobody had the authority to make the necessary decisions, and set priorities.
Right. Daddy and Mommy weren't there, to tell their children what to do. How sad that story! It almost has me crying.
griffith7x57 wrote: It survived because a few of us took charge, instituted rules of order so that decisions could be made and implemented.
Well then take charge of me
then, and get this thread working properly. You sound like a can-do
kinda guy. Rules of order in the big sense is law. The rules exist. Far too many, even. And despite we're already drowning in law, what is the business of GOMMENT? Make even more laws...so some day it will be an offence to even burp.
You know what my response to that system is? It's time to break wind. Rules of order used to be known as common sense
. Since it's so rare now that it ought to be called uncommon sense...owing to the feudal system we live under doesn't like
common sense - that means people think for themselves (no good in a feudal system)...it might take a while for people to stop being bleating sheep - ba-a-a-a-a - and start thinking again.
My proposed system *is* a decision
system; inherently. So you could never fault it for indecisiveness, the way a pathetic group had their little co-op. They obviously *weren't* cooperating, and I know how that happens. Too much ego, not enough sense. Or...born in Toronto. Amounts to the same.
I wasn't born here. Can you tell?
griffith7x57 wrote: a system such as you propose is sheer lunacy.
Your argument against me has all the weight of a butterfly's wing
griffith7x57 wrote: What hope would there be that a country run on your principles could survive?
Hey, Canada won't survive much longer, the way things are going. We have a Prime Minister - so-called - who seems to be very intent on turning us into just another U.S. state. He's working hard at destroying the socialistic elements in Canada that have long made a better country than the U.S.A. (Where inequality has reached terrible proportions. Dimwit U.S.A. can't even get their act together in terms of medical care. They make it sound another Manhatten Project. Dear me, it's gonna take a lotta scientists to figure this tough medical stuff out. Groan.)
Harper is working hard at destroying the formerly stable climate system, too. So the U.S. will in only a couple of decades be so hot, summer-times (Death Valley temperatures, 45+C) (that's predicted by the climate computers by 2040) that there will probably end up being more Americans than Canadians
living in Canada, within just two or three decades. Why drop dead from the heat when you can move north? And so what if Canadians don't like it? Americans tend to not knock, they just boot in the door.
Currently, our federal government seems intent on destroying
Canada. In various ways. And a lot of people know it. It's not just my opinion. This clown Harper has set a record for outraging the people he's supposed to serve.
So my proposed solution is ditch
that stupid system
; where we vote for Duh; dump it; abandon it. Flushit. It's fit for the dumpster/toilet. It does not
work. It inhibits progress. We're sliding back, in fact. Harper is the Canadian Taliban, as far as I'm concerned. Maybe you're happy with voting for people, but my reading of public opinion on government is: it's at an all-time low, in opinion, both in Canada and in the United States. Fewer and fewer people have any faith in government. The proper solution is abandon that form of it. It's from the time of Pharaohs. Archaic. And as I've said, it's great at creating war. As well as poverty, inequality. It has a long list of sins. I say my system would be the ultimate in fairness. No fairer system could exist. Nor any cheaper and more efficient. More capable of solving problems.
griffith7x57 wrote: anarchy
There is nothing wrong with anarchy. The word doesn't mean or imply chaos. Not at all. It just means no leaders
. Little groups are free to have their leaders. I don't object to it across the board. But in terms of government at any level, it stinks bad. Much better to be governed by principles
, rather than by people.
People do generally a horrid
job of leading. Toronto has a crap
mayor. Canada has a crap
Prime Minister; about the worst
in Canadian history. But laws and principles: those are excellent guidances. Public will: likewise. The two need combined, obviously. Just replace the top with public will: better. Nothing
falls apart if you take away the bozos. It would just mean bozo-free government. What a relief.
Who makes the decisions then? We all do
. Maybe exclude Toronto
; they can't vote on issues; too many stupid people.
In our current system, laws are routinely broken with impunity, because the high-and-mighty are above the law
. Which is foul, but that's how things are. George Bush Jr and the other POTUS goofs has killed about a milion people, owing to the cluster-f disaster they created in Iraq, but so what? Nobody is held accountable.
That would end
with a fair system. And so would war. We need the public, we need civil service, but as for the catbird seat jackasses...no. We don't need them. Internet is changing everything.
Instead of taking direction from the top of the pyramid where the dumbest people in the country generally sit - we pick the dumbest ones, on average - civil servants would take direction from the bottom. Who are they supposed to be serving anyway? We, the public. That system would be akin to a hovercraft, where the power was at the bottom; it could go anywhere. The limitations on progress would be removed.
China is vastly outdoing Canada in terms of moving to alternatives to fossil fuels. They're doing far more
than Canada. A higher percentage of their economy is going into that effort. The system you seem to support is actually very poor
. I think it's abominable. It never gives democracy; it gives sham democracy. It's a lie. Once you vote, you're done having any say. My system: you always have a say.
I could give example after example after example of why government as it's done now has to go
. If we keep
our antiquated system of government, I'm convinced that humans will probably be extinct before the year 2100. There are fearsome changes coming; present course. The methane bomb is about to explode, owing to all the heat we've added to the planet (we've been adding heat at the rate of about four Hiroshimas per second), and our government seems to be blissfully unaware that there is a problem. There is a big one. It's huge. But ask Harper...duh..we're going to increase oil production, and turn Canada into an energy giant. So what if down the road we're all dead.
And under our current feudal system of government, kids aren't taught, in schools, nature, nearly well enough. So...how many people are even aware of what the real threat is? Not many. It's not CO2. It's methane
. That could be easily a hundred times worse than what humans have done, in terms of the destabilizing the climate system. It's equivalent to a hundred trillion tons of CO2, when we've added only one or two. That is what nature is poised to add. We're the arrogant midget; nature is the giant. And once climate is wrecked, agriculture is wrecked. That collapses. Which will mean global famine. Even Canadians won't have enough to eat. Maybe within my lifetime, that wil be the case. We depend on nature, but that's what we're busy wrecking. We're not Homo Sapiens; we're Homo Arrogant.
Government is what has led us to this point, where we face peril actually greater
than all-out thermonuclear war.
Oil is the biggest existential threat humans have ever faced. We have the temperature of the planet the hottest it's been for millions
of years, currently, and we haven't seen anything yet. It's going to get much worse
. And what's our government doing? Busy extracting more oil. Oil, oil, oil! Did make the world go round; now it's going to make the world fall down.
My system has yours beat every way but Sunday, and half of Sunday too. It's faster, more efficient, basically clod-proof, corruption-proof, and much
cheaper. It would cost basically nothing
to get things done the right way. You can condescend to me all you want, but you haven't presented even one good counter-argument. Grown-ups don't need Daddy or Mommy (leaders). And every country would be better off under my system. Egypt can't even keep its act together under government as-it-exists. It falls apart. But a poll system: that would be extremely stable. No one could say: that system is unfair. But extremely unfair is what we get now; unfair is what we have always had.